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that the {223} immediate objects existed without the mind; then
that they are archetypes; then causes; next instruments; then
occasions: lastly ; which being interpreted
proves 。 So Matter comes to nothing。 What think you;
Hylas; is not this a fair summary of your whole proceeding?

     。 Be that as it will; yet I still insist upon it; that
our not being able to conceive a thing is no argument against its
existence。

     。 That from a cause; effect; operation; sign; or other
circumstance; there may reasonably be inferred the existence of a
thing not immediately perceived; and that it were absurd for any
man to argue against the existence of that thing; from his having
no direct and positive notion of it; I freely own。 But; where
there is nothing of all this; where neither reason nor revelation
induces us to believe the existence of a thing; where we have not
even a relative notion of it; where an abstraction is made from
perceiving and being perceived; from Spirit and idea: lastly;
where there is not so much as the most inadequate or faint idea
pretended to  I will not indeed thence conclude against the
reality of any notion; or existence of anything; but my inference
shall be; that you mean nothing at all; that you employ words to
no manner of purpose; without any design or signification
whatsoever。 And I leave it to you to consider how mere jargon
should be treated。

     。 To deal frankly with you; Philonous; your arguments
seem in themselves unanswerable; but they have not so great an
effect on me as to produce that entire conviction; that hearty
acquiescence; which attends demonstration。 I find myself
relapsing into an obscure surmise of I know not what; 。

     。 But; are you not sensible; Hylas; that two things
must concur to take away all scruple; and work a plenary assent
in the mind;? Let a visible object be set in never so clear a
light; yet; if there is any imperfection in the sight; or if the
eye is not directed towards it; it will not be distinctly seen。
And though a demonstration be never so well grounded and fairly
proposed; yet; if there is withal a stain of prejudice; or a
wrong bias on the understanding; can it be expected on a sudden
to perceive clearly; and adhere firmly to the truth? No; there is
need of time and pains: the attention must be awakened and
detained by a frequent repetition of the same thing placed oft in
the same; oft in different lights。 I have said it already; and
find I must still repeat and inculcate; that it is an
unaccountable licence {224} you take; in pretending to maintain
you know not what; for you know not what reason; to you know not
what purpose。 Can this be paralleled in any art or science; any
sect or profession of men? Or is there anything so barefacedly
groundless and unreasonable to be met with even in the lowest of
common conversation? But; perhaps you will still say; Matter may
exist; though at the same time you neither know 
by ; or by its 。 This indeed is surprising;
and the more so because it is altogether voluntary 'and of your
own head';'6' you not being led to it by any one reason; for I
challenge you to shew me that thing in nature which needs Matter
to explain or account for it。

     。  of things cannot be maintained without
supposing the existence of Matter。 And is not this; think you; a
good reason why I should be earnest in its defence?

     。 The reality of things! What things? sensible or
intelligible?

     。 Sensible things。

     。 My glove for example?

     。 That; or any other thing perceived by the senses。

     。 But to fix on some particular thing。 Is it not a
sufficient evidence to me of the existence of this ; that
I see it; and feel it; and wear it? Or; if this will not do; how
is it possible I should be assured of the reality of this thing;
which I actually see in this place; by supposing that some
unknown thing; which I never did or can see; exists after an
unknown manner; in an unknown place; or in no place at all? How
can the supposed reality of that which is intangible be a proof
that anything tangible really exists? Or; of that which is
invisible; that any visible thing; or; in general of anything
which is imperceptible; that a perceptible exists? Do but explain
this and I shall think nothing too hard for you。

     。 Upon the whole; I am content to own the existence of
matter is highly improbable; but the direct and absolute
impossibility of it does not appear to me。

     。 But granting Matter to be possible; yet; upon that
account merely; it can have no more claim to existence than a
golden mountain; or a centaur。

     。 I acknowledge it; but still you do not deny it is
possible; and that which is possible; for aught you know; may
actually exist。

     。 I deny it to be possible; and have; if I mistake
not; {225} evidently proved; from your own concessions; that it
is not。 In the common sense of the word ; is there any
more implied than an extended; solid; figured; moveable
substance; existing without the mind? And have not you
acknowledged; over and over; that you have seen evident reason
for denying the possibility of such a substance?

     。 True; but that is only one sense of the term


     。 But is it not the only proper genuine received
sense? And; if Matter; in such a sense; be proved impossible; may
it not be thought with good grounds absolutely impossible? Else
how could anything be proved impossible? Or; indeed; how could
there be any proof at all one way or other; to a man who takes
the liberty to unsettle and change the common signification of
words?

     。 I thought philosophers might be allowed to speak more
accurately than the vulgar; and were not always confined to the
common acceptation of a term。

     。 But this now mentioned is the common received sense
among philosophers themselves。 But; not to insist on that; have
you not been allowed to take Matter in what sense you pleased?
And have you not used this privilege in the utmost extent;
sometimes entirely changing; at others leaving out; or putting
into the definition of it whatever; for the present; best served
your design; contrary to all the known rules of reason and logic?
And hath not this shifting; unfair method of yours spun out our
dispute to an unnecessary length; Matter having been particularly
examined; and by your own confession refuted in each of those
senses? And can any more be required to prove the absolute
impossibility of a thing; than the proving it impossible in every
particular sense that either you or any one else understands it
in?

     。 But I am not so thoroughly satisfied that you have
proved the impossibility of Matter; in the last most obscure
abstracted and indefinite sense。

     。。 When is a thing shewn to be impossible?

     。 When a repugnancy is demonstrated between the ideas
comprehended in its definition。

     。 But where there are no ideas; there no repugnancy
can be demonstrated between ideas?

     。 I agree with you。

     。 Now; in that which you call the obscure indefinite
sense of the word ; it is plain; by your own confession;
there {226} was included no idea at all; no sense except an
unknown sense; which is the same thing as none。 You are not;
therefore; to expect I should prove a repugnancy between ideas;
where there are no ideas; or the impossibility of Matter taken in
an  sense; that is; no sense at all。 My business was
only to shew you meant ; and this you were brought to
own。 So that; in all your various senses; you have been shewed
either to mean nothing at all; or; if anything; an absurdity。 And
if this be not sufficient to prove the impossibility of a thing;
I desire you will let me know what is。

     。 I acknowledge you have proved that Matter is
impossible; nor do I see what more can be said in defence of it。
But; at the same time that I give up this; I suspect all my other
notions。 For surely none could be more seemingly evident than
this once was: and yet it now seems as false and absurd as ever
it did true before。 But I think we have discussed the point
sufficiently for the present。 The remaining part of the day I
would willingly spend in running over in my thoughts the several
heads of this morning's conversation; and tomorrow shall be glad
to meet you here again about the same time。

     。  will not fail to attend you。 {227}

                       THE THIRD DIALOGUE

      Tell me; Hylas;'7' what are the fruits of
yesterday's meditation? Has it confirmed you in the same mind you
were in at parting? or have you since seen cause to change your
opinion?

     。 Truly my opinion is that all our opinions are alike
vain and uncertain。 What we approve to…day; we condemn to…morrow。
We keep a stir about knowledge; and spend our lives in the
pursuit of it; when; alas I we know nothing all the while: nor do
I think it possible for us ever t

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