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perceiving that which represents them in the intelligible
Substance of God。 This I do not understand; but I say; the things
by me perceived are known by the understanding; and produced by
the will of an infinite Spirit。 And is not all this most plain
and evident? Is there any more in it than what a little
observation in our own minds; and that which passeth in them; not
only enables us to conceive; but also obliges us to acknowledge。

     。 I think I understand you very clearly; and own the
proof you give of a Deity seems no less evident than it is
surprising。 But; allowing that God is the supreme and universal
Cause of an things; yet; may there not be still a Third Nature
besides Spirits and Ideas? May we not admit a subordinate and
limited cause of our ideas? In a word; may there not for all that
be ?

     。 How often must I inculcate the same thing? You allow
the things immediately perceived by sense to exist nowhere
without the mind; but there is nothing perceived by sense which
is not perceived immediately: therefore there is nothing sensible
that exists without the mind。 The Matter; therefore; which you
still insist on is something intelligible; I suppose; something
that may be discovered by reason; and not by sense。

     。 You are in the right。 {216}

     。 Pray let me know what reasoning your belief of
Matter is grounded on; and what this Matter is; in your present
sense of it。

     。 I find myself affected with various ideas; whereof I
know I am not the cause; neither are they the cause of
themselves; or of one another; or capable of subsisting by
themselves; as being altogether inactive; fleeting; dependent
beings。 They have therefore  cause distinct from me and
them: of which I pretend to know no more than that it is 。 And this thing; whatever it be; I call
Matter。

     。 Tell me; Hylas; hath every one a liberty to change
the current proper signification attached to a common name in any
language? For example; suppose a traveller should tell you that
in a certain country men pass unhurt through the fire; and; upon
explaining himself; you found he meant by the word fire that
which others call 。 Or; if he should assert that there are
trees that walk upon two legs; meaning men by the term 。
Would you think this reasonable?

     。 No; I should think it very absurd。 Common custom is
the standard of propriety in language。 And for any man to affect
speaking improperly is to pervert the use of speech; and can
never serve to a better purpose than to protract and multiply
disputes; where there is no difference in opinion。

     。 And doth not ; in the common current
acceptation of the word; signify an extended; solid; moveable;
unthinking; inactive Substance?

     。 It doth。

     。 And; hath it not been made evident that no 
substance can possibly exist? And; though it should be allowed to
exist; yet how can that which is  be a ; or that
which is  be a ? You may; indeed;
if you please; annex to the word  a contrary meaning to
what is vulgarly received; and tell me you understand by it; an
unextended; thinking; active being; which is the cause of our
ideas。 But what else is this than to play with words; and run
into that very fault you just now condemned with so much reason?
I do by no means find fault with your reasoning; in that you
collect a cause from the :  I deny that 
cause deducible by reason can properly be termed Matter。

     。 There is indeed something in what you say。 But I am
{217} afraid you do not thoroughly comprehend my meaning。 I would
by no means be thought to deny that God; or an infinite Spirit;
is the Supreme Cause of all things。 All I contend for is; that;
subordinate to the Supreme Agent; there is a cause of a limited
and inferior nature; which  in the production of our
ideas; not by any act of will; or spiritual efficiency; but by
that kind of action which belongs to Matter; viz。 。

     。 I find you are at every turn relapsing into your old
exploded conceit; of a moveable; and consequently an extended;
substance; existing without the mind。 What! Have you already
forgotten you were convinced; or are you willing I should repeat
what has been said on that head? In truth this is not fair
dealing in you; still to suppose the being of that which you have
so often acknowledged to have no being。 But; not to insist
farther on what has been so largely handled; I ask whether all
your ideas are not perfectly passive and inert; including nothing
of action in them。

     。 They are。

     。 And are sensible qualities anything else but ideas?

     。 How often have I acknowledged that they are not。

     。 But is not  a sensible quality?

     。 It is。

     。 Consequently it is no action?

     。 I agree with you。 And indeed it is very plain that
when I stir my finger; it remains passive; but my will which
produced the motion is active。

     。 Now; I desire to know; in the first place; whether;
motion being allowed to be no action; you can conceive any action
besides volition: and; in the second place; whether to say
something and conceive nothing be not to talk nonsense: and;
lastly; whether; having considered the premises; you do not
perceive that to suppose any efficient or active Cause of our
ideas; other than ; is highly absurd and unreasonable?

     。 I give up the point entirely。 But; though Matter may
not be a cause; yet what hinders its being an ;
subservient to the supreme Agent in the production of our ideas?

     。 An instrument say you; pray what may be the figure;
springs; wheels; and motions; of that instrument?

     。 Those I pretend to determine nothing of; both the
substance and its qualities being entirely unknown to me。

     。 What? You are then of opinion it is made up of {218}
unknown parts; that it hath unknown motions; and an unknown
shape?

     。 I do not believe that it hath any figure or motion at
all; being already convinced; that no sensible qualities can
exist in an unperceiving substance。

     。 But what notion is it possible to frame of an
instrument void of all sensible qualities; even extension itself?

     。 I do not pretend to have any notion of it。

     。 And what reason have you to think this unknown; this
inconceivable Somewhat doth exist? Is it that you imagine God
cannot act as well without it; or that you find by experience the
use of some such thing; when you form ideas in your own mind?

     。 You are always teasing me for reasons of my belief。
Pray what reasons have you not to believe it?

     。 It is to me a sufficient reason not to believe the
existence of anything; if I see no reason for believing it。 But;
not to insist on reasons for believing; you will not so much as
let me know  you would have me believe; since you say
you have no manner of notion of it。 After all; let me entreat you
to consider whether it be like a philosopher; or even like a man
of common sense; to pretend to believe you know not what ' and
you know not why。

     。 Hold; Philonous。 When I tell you Matter is an
; I do not mean altogether nothing。 It is true I know
not the particular kind of instrument; but; however; I have some
notion of ; which I apply to it。

     。 But what if it should prove that there is something;
even in the most general notion of ; as taken in a
distinct sense from ; which makes the use of it
inconsistent with the Divine attributes?

     。 Make that appear and I shall give up the point。

     。 What mean you by the general nature or notion of


     。 That which is common to all particular instruments
composeth the general notion。

     。 Is it not common to all instruments; that they are
applied to the doing those things only which cannot be performed
by the mere act of our wills? Thus; for instance; I never use an
instrument to move my finger; because it is done by a volition。
But I should use one if I were to remove part of a rock; or tear
up a tree by the roots。 Are you of the same mind? {219} Or; can
you shew any example where an instrument is made use of in
producing an effect  depending on the will of the
agent?

     。 I own I cannot。

     。 How therefore can you suppose that an All…perfect
Spirit; on whose Will all things have an absolute and immediate
dependence; should need an instrument in his operations; or; not
needing it; make use of it? Thus it seems to me that you are
obliged to own the use of a lifeless inactive instrument to be
incompatible with the infinite perfection of God; that is; by
your own confession; to give up the point。

     。 It doth not readily occur what I can answer you。

     。 But; methinks you should be ready to own the truth;
when it has bee

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