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said此Protagoras察I have a wretched memory察and when any one makes a
long speech to me I never remember what he is talking about。 As
then察if I had been deaf察and you were going to converse with me
you would have had to raise your voice察so now察having such a bad
memory察I will ask you to cut your answers shorter察if you would
take me with you。
What do you mean拭he said此how am I to shorten my answers拭shall I
make them too short
Certainly not察I said。
But short enough
Yes察I said。
Shall I answer what appears to me to be short enough察or what
appears to you to be short enough
I have heard察I said察that you can speak and teach others to speak
about the same things at such length that words never seemed to
fail察or with such brevity that no one could use fewer of them。 Please
therefore察if you talk with me察to adopt the latter or more
compendious method。
Socrates察he replied察many a battle of words have I fought察and if I
had followed the method of disputation which my adversaries desired
as you want me to do察I should have been no better than another察and
the name of Protagoras would have been nowhere。
I saw that he was not satisfied with his previous answers察and
that he would not play the part of answerer any more if he could help
and I considered that there was no call upon me to continue the
conversation察so I said此Protagoras察I do not wish to force the
conversation upon you if you had rather not察but when you are
willing to argue with me in such a way that I can follow you察then I
will argue with you。 Now you察as is said of you by others and as you
say of yourself察are able to have discussions in shorter forms of
speech as well as in longer察for you are a master of wisdom察but I
cannot manage these long speeches此I only wish that I could。 You察on
the other hand察who are capable of either察ought to speak shorter as I
beg you察and then we might converse。 But I see that you are
disinclined察and as I have an engagement which will prevent my staying
to hear you at greater length for I have to be in another place察I
will depart察although I should have liked to have heard you。
Thus I spoke察and was rising from my seat察when Callias seized me by
the right hand察and in his left hand caught hold of this old cloak
of mine。 He said此We cannot let you go察Socrates察for if you leave
us there will be an end of our discussions此I must therefore beg you
to remain察as there is nothing in the world that I should like
better than to hear you and Protagoras discourse。 Do not deny the
company this pleasure。
Now I had got up察and was in the act of departure。 Son of
Hipponicus察I replied察I have always admired察and do now heartily
applaud and love your philosophical spirit察and I would gladly
comply with your request察if I could。 But the truth is that I
cannot。 And what you ask is as great an impossibility to me察as if you
bade me run a race with Crison of Himera察when in his prime察or with
some one of the long or day course runners。 To such a request I should
reply that I would fain ask the same of my own legs察but they refuse
to comply。 And therefore if you want to see Crison and me in the
same stadium察you must bid him slacken his speed to mine察for I cannot
run quickly察and he can run slowly。 And in like manner if you want
to hear me and Protagoras discoursing察you must ask him to shorten his
answers察and keep to the point察as he did at first察if not察how can
there be any discussion拭For discussion is one thing察and making an
oration is quite another察in my humble opinion。
But you see察Socrates察said Callias察that Protagoras may fairly
claim to speak in his own way察just as you claim to speak in yours。
Here Alcibiades interposed察and said此That察Callias察is not a true
statement of the case。 For our friend Socrates admits that he cannot
make a speech´in this he yields the palm to Protagoras此but I should
be greatly surprised if he yielded to any living man in the power of
holding and apprehending an argument。 Now if Protagoras will make a
similar admission察and confess that he is inferior to Socrates in
argumentative skill察that is enough for Socrates察but if he claims a
superiority in argument as well察let him ask and answer´not察when a
question is asked察slipping away from the point察and instead of
answering察making a speech at such length that most of his hearers
forget the question at issue not that Socrates is likely to
forget´I will be bound for that察although he may pretend in fun that
he has a bad memory。 And Socrates appears to me to be more in the
right than Protagoras察that is my view察and every man ought to say
what he thinks。
When Alcibiades had done speaking察some one´Critias察I
believe´went on to say此O Prodicus and Hippias察Callias appears to
me to be a partisan of Protagoras此and this led Alcibiades察who
loves opposition察to take the other side。 But we should not be
partisans either of Socrates or of Protagoras察let us rather unite
in entreating both of them not to break up the discussion。
Prodicus added此That察Critias察seems to me to be well said察for
those who are present at such discussions ought to be impartial
hearers of both the speakers察remembering察however察that
impartiality is not the same as equality察for both sides should be
impartially heard察and yet an equal meed should not be assigned to
both of them察but to the wiser a higher meed should be given察and a
lower to the less wise。 And I as well as Critias would beg you
Protagoras and Socrates察to grant our request察which is察that you will
argue with one another and not wrangle察for friends argue with friends
out of goodwill察but only adversaries and enemies wrangle。 And then
our meeting will be delightful察for in this way you察who are the
speakers察will be most likely to win esteem察and not praise only
among us who are your audience察for esteem is a sincere conviction
of the hearers' souls察but praise is often an insincere expression
of men uttering falsehoods contrary to their conviction。 And thus we
who are the hearers will be gratified and not pleased察for
gratification is of the mind when receiving wisdom and knowledge
but pleasure is of the body when eating or experiencing some other
bodily delight。 Thus spoke Prodicus察and many of the company applauded
his words。
Hippias the sage spoke next。 He said此All of you who are here
present I reckon to be kinsmen and friends and fellow´citizens察by
nature and not by law察for by nature like is akin to like察whereas law
is the tyrant of mankind察and often compels us to do many things which
are against nature。 How great would be the disgrace then察if we察who
know the nature of things察and are the wisest of the Hellenes察and
as such are met together in this city察which is the metropolis of
wisdom察and in the greatest and most glorious house of this city
should have nothing to show worthy of this height of dignity察but
should only quarrel with one another like the meanest of mankind I
pray and advise you察Protagoras察and you察Socrates察to agree upon a
compromise。 Let us be your peacemakers。 And do not you察Socrates
aim at this precise and extreme brevity in discourse察if Protagoras
objects察but loosen and let go the reins of speech察that your words
may be grander and more becoming to you。 Neither do you察Protagoras
go forth on the gale with every sail set out of sight of land into
an ocean of words察but let there be a mean observed by both of you。 Do
as I say。 And let me also persuade you to choose an arbiter or
overseer or president察he will keep watch over your words and will
prescribe their proper length。
This proposal was received by the company with universal approval
Callias said that he would not let me off察and they begged me to
choose an arbiter。 But I said that to choose an umpire of discourse
would be unseemly察for if the person chosen was inferior察then the
inferior or worse ought not to preside over the better察or if he was
equal察neither would that be well察for he who is our equal will do
as we do察and what will be the use of choosing him拭And if you say
;Let us have a better then察─to that I answer that you cannot have any
one who is wiser than Protagoras。 And if you choose another who is not
really better察and whom you only say is better察to put another over
him as though he were an inferior person would be an unworthy
reflection on him察not that察as far as I am concerned察any
reflection is of much consequence to me。 Let me tell you then what I
will do in order that the conversation and discussion may go on as you
desire。 If Protagoras is not disposed to answer察let him ask and I
will answer察a