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Well then察Protagoras察we will assume this察and now supposing that
he proceeded to say further察 Then holiness is not of the nature of
justice察nor justice of the nature of holiness察but of the nature of
unholiness察and holiness is of the nature of the not just察and
therefore of the unjust察and the unjust is the unholy;此how shall we
answer him拭I should certainly answer him on my own behalf that
justice is holy察and that holiness is just察and I would say in like
manner on your behalf also察if you would allow me察that justice is
either the same with holiness察or very nearly the same察and above
all I would assert that justice is like holiness and holiness is
like justice察and I wish that you would tell me whether I may be
permitted to give this answer on your behalf察and whether you would
agree with me。
He replied察I cannot simply agree察Socrates察to the proposition that
justice is holy and that holiness is just察for there appears to me
to be a difference between them。 But what matter拭if you please I
please察and let us assume察if you will I察that justice is holy察and
that holiness is just。
Pardon me察I replied察I do not want this ;if you wish; or ;if you
will; sort of conclusion to be proven察but I want you and me to be
proven此I mean to say that the conclusion will be best proven if there
be no ;if。;
Well察he said察I admit that justice bears a resemblance to holiness
for there is always some point of view in which everything is like
every other thing察white is in a certain way like black察and hard is
like soft察and the most extreme opposites have some qualities in
common察even the parts of the face which察as we were saying before
are distinct and have different functions察are still in a certain
point of view similar察and one of them is like another of them。 And
you may prove that they are like one another on the same principle
that all things are like one another察and yet things which are like in
some particular ought not to be called alike察nor things which are
unlike in some particular察however slight察unlike。
And do you think察I said in a tone of surprise察that justice and
holiness have but a small degree of likeness
Certainly not察any more than I agree with what I understand to be
your view。
Well察I said察as you appear to have a difficulty about this察let
us take another of the examples which you mentioned instead。 Do you
admit the existence of folly
I do。
And is not wisdom the。 very opposite of folly
That is true察he said。
And when men act rightly and advantageously they seem to you to be
temperate
Yes察he said。
And temperance makes them temperate
Certainly。
And they who do not act rightly act foolishly察and in acting thus
are not temperate
I agree察he said。
Then to act foolishly is the opposite of acting temperately
He assented。
And foolish actions are done by folly察and temperate actions by
temperance
He agreed。
And that is done strongly which is done by strength察and that
which is weakly done察by weakness
He assented。
And that which is done with swiftness is done swiftly察and that
which is done with slowness察slowly
He assented again。
And that which is done in the same manner察is done by the same
and that which is done in an opposite manner by the opposite
He agreed。
Once more察I said察is there anything beautiful
Yes。
To which the only opposite is the ugly
There is no other。
And is there anything good
There is。
To which the only opposite is the evil
There is no other。
And there is the acute in sound
True。
To which the only opposite is the grave
There is no other察he said察but that。
Then every opposite has one opposite only and no more
He assented。
Then now察I said察let us recapitulate our admissions。 First of all
we admitted that everything has one opposite and not more than one
We did so。
And we admitted also that what was done in opposite ways was done by
opposites
Yes。
And that which was done foolishly察as we further admitted察was
done in the opposite way to that which was done temperately
Yes。
And that which was done temperately was done by temperance察and that
which was done foolishly by folly
He agreed。
And that which is done in opposite ways is done by opposites
Yes。
And one thing is done by temperance察and quite another thing by
folly
Yes。
And in opposite ways
Certainly。
And therefore by opposites此then folly is the opposite of
temperance
Clearly。
And do you remember that folly has already been acknowledged by us
to be the opposite of wisdom
He assented。
And we said that everything has only one opposite
Yes。
Then察Protagoras察which of the two assertions shall we renounce拭One
says that everything has but one opposite察the other that wisdom is
distinct from temperance察and that both of them are parts of virtue
and that they are not only distinct察but dissimilar察both in
themselves and in their functions察like the parts of a face。 Which
of these two assertions shall we renounce拭For both of them together
are certainly not in harmony察they do not accord or agree此for how can
they be said to agree if everything is assumed to have only one
opposite and not more than one察and yet folly察which is one察has
clearly the two opposites wisdom and temperance拭Is not that true
Protagoras拭What else would you say
He assented察but with great reluctance。
Then temperance and wisdom are the same察as before justice and
holiness appeared to us to be nearly the same。 And now察Protagoras
I said察we must finish the enquiry察and not faint。 Do you think that
an unjust man can be temperate in his injustice
I should be ashamed察Socrates察he said察to acknowledge this which
nevertheless many may be found to assert。
And shall I argue with them or with you拭I replied。
I would rather察he said察that you should argue with the many
first察if you will。
Whichever you please察if you will only answer me and say whether you
are of their opinion or not。 My object is to test the validity of
the argument察and yet the result may be that I who ask and you who
answer may both be put on our trial。
Protagoras at first made a show of refusing察as he said that the
argument was not encouraging察at length察he consented to answer。
Now then察I said察begin at the beginning and answer me。 You think
that some men are temperate察and yet unjust
Yes察he said察let that be admitted。
And temperance is good sense
Yes。
And good sense is good counsel in doing injustice
Granted。
If they succeed察I said察or if they do not succeed
If they succeed。
And you would admit the existence of goods
Yes。
And is the good that which is expedient for man
Yes察indeed察he said此and there are some things which may be
inexpedient察and yet I call them good。
I thought that Protagoras was getting ruffled and excited察he seemed
to be setting himself in an attitude of war。 Seeing this察I minded
my business察and gently said此
When you say察Protagoras察that things inexpedient are good察do you
mean inexpedient for man only察or inexpedient altogether拭and do you
call the latter good
Certainly not the last察he replied察for I know of many things´meats
drinks察medicines察and ten thousand other things察which are
inexpedient for man察and some which are expedient察and some which
are neither expedient nor inexpedient for man察but only for horses
and some for oxen only察and some for dogs察and some for no animals
but only for trees察and some for the roots of trees and not for
their branches察as for example察manure察which is a good thing when
laid about the roots of a tree察but utterly destructive if thrown upon
the shoots and young branches察or I may instance olive oil察which is
mischievous to all plants察and generally most injurious to the hair of
every animal with the exception of man察but beneficial to human hair
and to the human body generally察and even in this application so
various and changeable is the nature of the benefit察that which is
the greatest good to the outward parts of a man察is a very great
evil to his inward parts此and for this reason physicians always forbid
their patients the use of oil in their food察except in very small
quantities察just enough to extinguish the disagreeable sensation of
smell in meats and sauces。
When he had given this answer察the company cheered him。 And I
said此Protagoras察I have a wretched memory察and when any one makes a