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distinguished or undistinguished according to their own natural
capacities as flute´players察and the son of a good player would
often turn out to be a bad one察and the son of a bad player to be a
good one察all flute´players would be good enough in comparison of
those who were ignorant and unacquainted with the art of
flute´playing拭In like manner I would have you consider that he who
appears to you to be the worst of those who have been brought up in
laws and humanities察would appear to be a just man and a master of
justice if he were to be compared with men who had no education察or
courts of justice察or laws察or any restraints upon them which
compelled them to practise virtue´with the savages察for example
whom the poet Pherecrates exhibited on the stage at the last year's
Lenaean festival。 If you were living among men such as the
man´haters in his Chorus察you would be only too glad to meet with
Eurybates and Phrynondas察and you would sorrowfully long to revisit
the rascality of this part of the world。 you察Socrates察are
discontented察and why拭Because all men are teachers of virtue察each
one according to his ability察and you say察Where are the teachers拭You
might as well ask察Who teaches Greek拭For of that too there will not
be any teachers found。 Or you might ask察Who is to teach the sons of
our artisans this same art which they have learned of their fathers
He and his fellow´workmen have taught them to the best of their
ability察but who will carry them further in their arts拭And you
would certainly have a difficulty察Socrates察in finding a teacher of
them察but there would be no difficulty in finding a teacher of those
who are wholly ignorant。 And this is true of virtue or of anything
else察if a man is better able than we are to promote virtue ever so
little察we must be content with the result。 A teacher of this sort I
believe myself to be察and above all other men to have the knowledge
which makes a man noble and good察and I give my pupils their
money's´worth察and even more察as they themselves confess。 And
therefore I have introduced the following mode of payment此When a
man has been my pupil察if he likes he pays my price察but there is no
compulsion察and if he does not like察he has only to go into a temple
and take an oath of the value of the instructions察and he pays no more
than he declares to be their value。
Such is my Apologue察Socrates察and such is the argument by which I
endeavour to show that virtue may be taught察and that this is the
opinion of the Athenians。 And I have also attempted to show that you
are not to wonder at good fathers having bad sons察or at good sons
having bad fathers察of which the sons of Polycleitus afford an
example察who are the companions of our friends here察Paralus and
Xanthippus察but are nothing in comparison with their father察and
this is true of the sons of many other artists。 As yet I ought not
to say the same of Paralus and Xanthippus themselves察for they are
young and there is still hope of them。
Protagoras ended察and in my ear
So charming left his voice察that I the while
Thought him still speaking察still stood fixed to hear。
At length察when the truth dawned upon me察that he had really finished
not without difficulty I began to collect myself察and looking at
Hippocrates察I said to him此O son of Apollodorus察how deeply
grateful I am to you for having brought me hither察I would not have
missed the speech of Protagoras for a great deal。 For I used to
imagine that no human care could make men good察but I know better now。
Yet I have still one very small difficulty which I am sure that
Protagoras will easily explain察as he has already explained so much。
If a man were to go and consult Pericles or any of our great
speakers about these matters察he might perhaps hear as fine a
discourse察but then when one has a question to ask of any of them
like books察they can neither answer nor ask察and if any one challenges
the least particular of their speech察they go ringing on in a long
harangue察like brazen pots察which when they are struck continue to
sound unless some one puts his hand upon them察whereas our friend
Protagoras can not only make a good speech察as he has already shown
but when he is asked a question he can answer briefly察and when he
asks he will wait and hear the answer察and this is a very rare gift。
Now I察Protagoras察want to ask of you a little question察which if
you will only answer察I shall be quite satisfied。 You were saying that
virtue can be taught察that I will take upon your authority察and
there is no one to whom I am more ready to trust。 But I marvel at
one thing about which I should like to have my mind set at rest。 You
were speaking of Zeus sending justice and reverence to men察and
several times while you were speaking察justice察and temperance察and
holiness察and all these qualities察were described by you as if
together they made up virtue。 Now I want you to tell me truly
whether virtue is one whole察of which justice and temperance and
holiness are parts察or whether all these are only the names of one and
the same thing此that is the doubt which still lingers in my mind。
There is no difficulty察Socrates察in answering that the qualities of
which you are speaking are the parts of virtue which is one。
And are they parts察I said察in the same sense in which mouth
nose察and eyes察and ears察are the parts of a face察or are they like
the parts of gold察which differ from the whole and from one another
only in being larger or smaller
I should say that they differed察Socrates察in the first way察they
are related to one another as the parts of a face are related to the
whole face。
And do men have some one part and some another part of virtue拭Of if
a man has one part察must he also have all the others
By no means察he said察for many a man is brave and not just察or
just and not wise。
You would not deny察then察that courage and wisdom are also parts
of virtue
Most undoubtedly they are察he answered察and wisdom is the noblest of
the parts。
And they are all different from one another拭I said。
Yes。
And has each of them a distinct function like the parts of the
face察the eye察for example察is not like the ear察and has not the
same functions察and the other parts are none of them like one another
either in their functions察or in any other way拭I want to know whether
the comparison holds concerning the parts of virtue。 Do they also
differ from one another in themselves and in their functions拭For that
is clearly what the simile would imply。
Yes察Socrates察you are right in supposing that they differ。
Then察I said察no other part of virtue is like knowledge察or like
justice察or like courage察or like temperance察or like holiness
No察he answered。
Well then察I said察suppose that you and I enquire into their
natures。 And first察you would agree with me that justice is of the
nature of a thing察would you not拭That is my opinion此would it not
be yours also
Mine also察he said。
And suppose that some one were to ask us察saying察 O Protagoras察and
you察Socrates察what about this thing which you were calling justice
is it just or unjust拭─and I were to answer察just此would you vote with
me or against me
With you察he said。
Thereupon I should answer to him who asked me察that justice is of
the nature of the just此would not you
Yes察he said。
And suppose that he went on to say此 Well now察is there also such
a thing as holiness拭 we should answer察 Yes察─if I am not mistaken
Yes察he said。
Which you would also acknowledge to be a thing´should we not say so
He assented。
;And is this a sort of thing which is of the nature of the holy
or of the nature of the unholy拭─I should be angry at his putting such
a question察and should say察 Peace察man察nothing can be holy if
holiness is not holy。; What would you say拭Would you not answer in the
same way
Certainly察he said。
And then after this suppose that he came and asked us察 What were
you saying just now拭Perhaps I may not have heard you rightly察but you
seemed to me to be saying that the parts of virtue were not the same
as one another。; I should reply察 You certainly heard that said察but
not察as you imagine察by me察for I only asked the question
Protagoras gave the answer。; And suppose that he turned to you and
said察 Is this true察Protagoras拭and do you maintain that one part
of virtue is unlike another察and is this your position拭─how would you
answer him
I could not help acknowledging the truth of what he said察Socrates。
Well then察Protagoras察we will assume this察and now supposing that
he