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your father; for I and he were always companions and friends; and to the



hour of his death there never was a difference between us; and now it comes



back to me; at the mention of your name; that I have heard these lads



talking to one another at home; and often speaking of Socrates in terms of



the highest praise; but I have never thought to ask them whether the son of



Sophroniscus was the person whom they meant。  Tell me; my boys; whether



this is the Socrates of whom you have often spoken?







SON:  Certainly; father; this is he。







LYSIMACHUS:  I am delighted to hear; Socrates; that you maintain the name



of your father; who was a most excellent man; and I further rejoice at the



prospect of our family ties being renewed。







LACHES:  Indeed; Lysimachus; you ought not to give him up; for I can assure



you that I have seen him maintaining; not only his father's; but also his



country's name。  He was my companion in the retreat from Delium; and I can



tell you that if others had only been like him; the honour of our country



would have been upheld; and the great defeat would never have occurred。







LYSIMACHUS:  That is very high praise which is accorded to you; Socrates;



by faithful witnesses and for actions like those which they praise。  Let me



tell you the pleasure which I feel in hearing of your fame; and I hope that



you will regard me as one of your warmest friends。  You ought to have



visited us long ago; and made yourself at home with us; but now; from this



day forward; as we have at last found one another out; do as I saycome



and make acquaintance with me; and with these young men; that I may



continue your friend; as I was your father's。  I shall expect you to do so;



and shall venture at some future time to remind you of your duty。  But what



say you of the matter of which we were beginning to speakthe art of



fighting in armour?  Is that a practice in which the lads may be



advantageously instructed?







SOCRATES:  I will endeavour to advise you; Lysimachus; as far as I can in



this matter; and also in every way will comply with your wishes; but as I



am younger and not so experienced; I think that I ought certainly to hear



first what my elders have to say; and to learn of them; and if I have



anything to add; then I may venture to give my opinion to them as well as



to you。  Suppose; Nicias; that one or other of you begin。







NICIAS:  I have no objection; Socrates; and my opinion is that the



acquirement of this art is in many ways useful to young men。  It is an



advantage to them that among the favourite amusements of their leisure



hours they should have one which tends to improve and not to injure their



bodily health。  No gymnastics could be better or harder exercise; and this;



and the art of riding; are of all arts most befitting to a freeman; for



they only who are thus trained in the use of arms are the athletes of our



military profession; trained in that on which the conflict turns。  Moreover



in actual battle; when you have to fight in a line with a number of others;



such an acquirement will be of some use; and will be of the greatest



whenever the ranks are broken and you have to fight singly; either in



pursuit; when you are attacking some one who is defending himself; or in



flight; when you have to defend yourself against an assailant。  Certainly



he who possessed the art could not meet with any harm at the hands of a



single person; or perhaps of several; and in any case he would have a great



advantage。  Further; this sort of skill inclines a man to the love of other



noble lessons; for every man who has learned how to fight in armour will



desire to learn the proper arrangement of an army; which is the sequel of



the lesson:  and when he has learned this; and his ambition is once fired;



he will go on to learn the complete art of the general。  There is no



difficulty in seeing that the knowledge and practice of other military arts



will be honourable and valuable to a man; and this lesson may be the



beginning of them。  Let me add a further advantage; which is by no means a



slight one;that this science will make any man a great deal more valiant



and self…possessed in the field。  And I will not disdain to mention; what



by some may be thought to be a small matter;he will make a better



appearance at the right time; that is to say; at the time when his



appearance will strike terror into his enemies。  My opinion then;



Lysimachus; is; as I say; that the youths should be instructed in this art;



and for the reasons which I have given。  But Laches may take a different



view; and I shall be very glad to hear what he has to say。







LACHES:  I should not like to maintain; Nicias; that any kind of knowledge



is not to be learned; for all knowledge appears to be a good:  and if; as



Nicias and as the teachers of the art affirm; this use of arms is really a



species of knowledge; then it ought to be learned; but if not; and if those



who profess to teach it are deceivers only; or if it be knowledge; but not



of a valuable sort; then what is the use of learning it?  I say this;



because I think that if it had been really valuable; the Lacedaemonians;



whose whole life is passed in finding out and practising the arts which



give them an advantage over other nations in war; would have discovered



this one。  And even if they had not; still these professors of the art



would certainly not have failed to discover that of all the Hellenes the



Lacedaemonians have the greatest interest in such matters; and that a



master of the art who was honoured among them would be sure to make his



fortune among other nations; just as a tragic poet would who is honoured



among ourselves; which is the reason why he who fancies that he can write a



tragedy does not go about itinerating in the neighbouring states; but



rushes hither straight; and exhibits at Athens; and this is natural。 



Whereas I perceive that these fighters in armour regard Lacedaemon as a



sacred inviolable territory; which they do not touch with the point of



their foot; but they make a circuit of the neighbouring states; and would



rather exhibit to any others than to the Spartans; and particularly to



those who would themselves acknowledge that they are by no means firstrate



in the arts of war。  Further; Lysimachus; I have encountered a good many of



these gentlemen in actual service; and have taken their measure; which I



can give you at once; for none of these masters of fence have ever been



distinguished in war;there has been a sort of fatality about them; while



in all other arts the men of note have been always those who have practised



the art; they appear to be a most unfortunate exception。  For example; this



very Stesilaus; whom you and I have just witnessed exhibiting in all that



crowd and making such great professions of his powers; I have seen at



another time making; in sober truth; an involuntary exhibition of himself;



which was a far better spectacle。  He was a marine on board a ship which



struck a transport vessel; and was armed with a weapon; half spear; half



scythe; the singularity of this weapon was worthy of the singularity of the



man。  To make a long story short; I will only tell you what happened to



this notable invention of the scythe spear。  He was fighting; and the



scythe was caught in the rigging of the other ship; and stuck fast; and he



tugged; but was unable to get his weapon free。  The two ships were passing



one another。  He first ran along his own ship holding on to the spear; but



as the other ship passed by and drew him after as he was holding on; he let



the spear slip through his hand until he retained only the end of the



handle。  The people in the transport clapped their hands; and laughed at



his ridiculous figure; and when some one threw a stone; which fell on the



deck at his feet; and he quitted his hold of the scythe…spear; the crew of



his own trireme also burst out laughing; they could not refrain when they



beheld the weapon waving in the air; suspended from the transport。  Now I



do not deny that there may be something in such an art; as Nicias asserts;



but I tell you my experience; and; as I said at first; whether this be an



art of which the advantage is so slight; or not an art at all; but only an



imposition; in either case such an acquirement is not worth having。  For my



opinion is; that if the professor of this art be a coward; he will be



likely to become rash; and his character will be only more notorious; or if



he be brave; and fail ever so little; other men

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