alcibiades i-第13节
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SOCRATES: Then such a man can never be a statesman?
ALCIBIADES: He cannot。
SOCRATES: Nor an economist?
ALCIBIADES: He cannot。
SOCRATES: He will not know what he is doing?
ALCIBIADES: He will not。
SOCRATES: And will not he who is ignorant fall into error?
ALCIBIADES: Assuredly。
SOCRATES: And if he falls into error will he not fail both in his public
and private capacity?
ALCIBIADES: Yes; indeed。
SOCRATES: And failing; will he not be miserable?
ALCIBIADES: Very。
SOCRATES: And what will become of those for whom he is acting?
ALCIBIADES: They will be miserable also。
SOCRATES: Then he who is not wise and good cannot be happy?
ALCIBIADES: He cannot。
SOCRATES: The bad; then; are miserable?
ALCIBIADES: Yes; very。
SOCRATES: And if so; not he who has riches; but he who has wisdom; is
delivered from his misery?
ALCIBIADES: Clearly。
SOCRATES: Cities; then; if they are to be happy; do not want walls; or
triremes; or docks; or numbers; or size; Alcibiades; without virtue?
(Compare Arist。 Pol。)
ALCIBIADES: Indeed they do not。
SOCRATES: And you must give the citizens virtue; if you mean to administer
their affairs rightly or nobly?
ALCIBIADES: Certainly。
SOCRATES: But can a man give that which he has not?
ALCIBIADES: Impossible。
SOCRATES: Then you or any one who means to govern and superintend; not
only himself and the things of himself; but the state and the things of the
state; must in the first place acquire virtue。
ALCIBIADES: That is true。
SOCRATES: You have not therefore to obtain power or authority; in order to
enable you to do what you wish for yourself and the state; but justice and
wisdom。
ALCIBIADES: Clearly。
SOCRATES: You and the state; if you act wisely and justly; will act
according to the will of God?
ALCIBIADES: Certainly。
SOCRATES: As I was saying before; you will look only at what is bright and
divine; and act with a view to them?
ALCIBIADES: Yes。
SOCRATES: In that mirror you will see and know yourselves and your own
good?
ALCIBIADES: Yes。
SOCRATES: And so you will act rightly and well?
ALCIBIADES: Yes。
SOCRATES: In which case; I will be security for your happiness。
ALCIBIADES: I accept the security。
SOCRATES: But if you act unrighteously; your eye will turn to the dark and
godless; and being in darkness and ignorance of yourselves; you will
probably do deeds of darkness。
ALCIBIADES: Very possibly。
SOCRATES: For if a man; my dear Alcibiades; has the power to do what he
likes; but has no understanding; what is likely to be the result; either to
him as an individual or to the statefor example; if he be sick and is
able to do what he likes; not having the mind of a physicianhaving
moreover tyrannical power; and no one daring to reprove him; what will
happen to him? Will he not be likely to have his constitution ruined?
ALCIBIADES: That is true。
SOCRATES: Or again; in a ship; if a man having the power to do what he
likes; has no intelligence or skill in navigation; do you see what will
happen to him and to his fellow…sailors?
ALCIBIADES: Yes; I see that they will all perish。
SOCRATES: And in like manner; in a state; and where there is any power and
authority which is wanting in virtue; will not misfortune; in like manner;
ensue?
ALCIBIADES: Certainly。
SOCRATES: Not tyrannical power; then; my good Alcibiades; should be the
aim either of individuals or states; if they would be happy; but virtue。
ALCIBIADES: That is true。
SOCRATES: And before they have virtue; to be commanded by a superior is
better for men as well as for children? (Compare Arist。 Pol。)
ALCIBIADES: That is evident。
SOCRATES: And that which is better is also nobler?
ALCIBIADES: True。
SOCRATES: And what is nobler is more becoming?
ALCIBIADES: Certainly。
SOCRATES: Then to the bad man slavery is more becoming; because better?
ALCIBIADES: True。
SOCRATES: Then vice is only suited to a slave?
ALCIBIADES: Yes。
SOCRATES: And virtue to a freeman?
ALCIBIADES: Yes。
SOCRATES: And; O my friend; is not the condition of a slave to be avoided?
ALCIBIADES: Certainly; Socrates。
SOCRATES: And are you now conscious of your own state? And do you know
whether you are a freeman or not?
ALCIBIADES: I think that I am very conscious indeed of my own state。
SOCRATES: And do you know how to escape out of a state which I do not even
like to name to my beauty?
ALCIBIADES: Yes; I do。
SOCRATES: How?
ALCIBIADES: By your help; Socrates。
SOCRATES: That is not well said; Alcibiades。
ALCIBIADES: What ought I to have said?
SOCRATES: By the help of God。
ALCIBIADES: I agree; and I further say; that our relations are likely to
be reversed。 From this day forward; I must and will follow you as you have
followed me; I will be the disciple; and you shall be my master。
SOCRATES: O that is rare! My love breeds another love: and so like the
stork I shall be cherished by the bird whom I have hatched。
ALCIBIADES: Strange; but true; and henceforward I shall begin to think
about justice。
SOCRATES: And I hope that you will persist; although I have fears; not
because I doubt you; but I see the power of the state; which may be too
much for both of us。
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